Comments on: The Pennsylvania Smoking Ban http://www.douglasderda.com/blog/2008/09/12/the-pennsylvania-smoking-ban Lift up the receiver, I'll make you a believer. Wed, 01 Feb 2012 17:32:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: cp http://www.douglasderda.com/blog/2008/09/12/the-pennsylvania-smoking-ban/comment-page-1#comment-4437 cp Sat, 13 Sep 2008 02:18:02 +0000 http://www.douglasderda.com/blog/?p=490#comment-4437 agree, a loss of freedom *sigh* one interesting side effect is the littering ... smokers are still going to smoke, but have no receptacles now to throw their butts out agree, a loss of freedom *sigh*

one interesting side effect is the littering … smokers are still going to smoke, but have no receptacles now to throw their butts out

]]> By: herefreeman http://www.douglasderda.com/blog/2008/09/12/the-pennsylvania-smoking-ban/comment-page-1#comment-4431 herefreeman Fri, 12 Sep 2008 21:49:50 +0000 http://www.douglasderda.com/blog/?p=490#comment-4431 True freedom requires making choices for yourself, when the government makes decisions for you, freedom is conditional and lost. Many of the anti smokers are concerned about smelling and smelling like tobacco smoke. They want to dictate their personal preference by law rather than use their freedom to go to or work at a place that has their personal preferences. "I wonder how much laundry will be cut down by the ban…", I wonder what kinds of things cling to clothing period. These antis, never washing their clothes, will continue to carry other bacteria, disease etc. Please wash your clothes any how. I have seen anti smokers go into a restaurant/bar in scrubs after getting off a shift at the hospital. Hospital infections have documented deaths in Pennsylvania of 2500 a year. There has never been one scientifically documented death or disease from a wisp of smoke. Unless, of course, you buy the rhetoric of the media and extremist groups. They are generally for Obama as well. True freedom requires making choices for yourself, when the government makes decisions for you, freedom is conditional and lost.
Many of the anti smokers are concerned about smelling and smelling like tobacco smoke. They want to dictate their personal preference by law rather than use their freedom to go to or work at a place that has their personal preferences.
“I wonder how much laundry will be cut down by the ban…”, I wonder what kinds of things cling to clothing period. These antis, never washing their clothes, will continue to carry other bacteria, disease etc. Please wash your clothes any how.
I have seen anti smokers go into a restaurant/bar in scrubs after getting off a shift at the hospital. Hospital infections have documented deaths in Pennsylvania of 2500 a year. There has never been one scientifically documented death or disease from a wisp of smoke. Unless, of course, you buy the rhetoric of the media and extremist groups. They are generally for Obama as well.

]]> By: douglas http://www.douglasderda.com/blog/2008/09/12/the-pennsylvania-smoking-ban/comment-page-1#comment-4429 douglas Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:51:26 +0000 http://www.douglasderda.com/blog/?p=490#comment-4429 Thanks for the comment Adri! Glad to see you were here :) My thing is that the government shouldn't step in to make this decision. If I own a business I should be able to designate it as smoking or non-smoking. Granted yes you have to breathe that 2nd hand smoke in when someone lights up but you know going into the establishment that you could face that risk. I have an issue with the psycho over the top activists who have just now become vocal because this in effect. 3-5 years ago where were these people? I like going out to eat in a smoke free environment but a bar is where smoking has always been a part of the culture. People who frequent smokey bars don't care about breathing in the 2nd hand smoke otherwise they wouldn't go. Hate to say it but some people just don't give a shit and will continue to smoke 2 packs a day. That's their prerogative. People in general are getting all crazed and becoming extremists. If you don't like my candidate then fuck you you're killing America. If you don't eat organic you're going to die. You're killing me and my rights by smoking! Just do what I say! (I've actually heard all of these which is why I'm saying it). Drives me nut. The political people are the worst. I'm still undecided so I try to listen to both sides but goddamn the Obama supporters I know just wont stop. Constantly in my face. how did the country slip so fast? Thanks for the comment Adri! Glad to see you were here :)

My thing is that the government shouldn’t step in to make this decision. If I own a business I should be able to designate it as smoking or non-smoking. Granted yes you have to breathe that 2nd hand smoke in when someone lights up but you know going into the establishment that you could face that risk. I have an issue with the psycho over the top activists who have just now become vocal because this in effect. 3-5 years ago where were these people?

I like going out to eat in a smoke free environment but a bar is where smoking has always been a part of the culture. People who frequent smokey bars don’t care about breathing in the 2nd hand smoke otherwise they wouldn’t go. Hate to say it but some people just don’t give a shit and will continue to smoke 2 packs a day. That’s their prerogative.

People in general are getting all crazed and becoming extremists. If you don’t like my candidate then fuck you you’re killing America. If you don’t eat organic you’re going to die. You’re killing me and my rights by smoking! Just do what I say! (I’ve actually heard all of these which is why I’m saying it). Drives me nut. The political people are the worst. I’m still undecided so I try to listen to both sides but goddamn the Obama supporters I know just wont stop. Constantly in my face.

how did the country slip so fast?

]]> By: Adri http://www.douglasderda.com/blog/2008/09/12/the-pennsylvania-smoking-ban/comment-page-1#comment-4427 Adri Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:46:00 +0000 http://www.douglasderda.com/blog/?p=490#comment-4427 I love California's smoking ban. Best thing that has ever happened in the state. I can go to any bar, club, restaurant and hang out with my friends, party it up, head home and not smell like the bottom of someone's ashtray. When I come back to PA I pack an extra bag.... so I can throw all of my clothes that I wore out to a bar into it an zip it shut. There's no wearing a pair of jeans twice in that state. I wonder how much laundry will be cut down by the ban... saving the environment by water conservation! I also wonder what the statistics will say by the number of people who will cut back or quit smoking as a result of the ban, probably not much, but it can't hurt. I can say the state could use it. The instance of underage smoking in PA is INSANE. Attaching another stigma to smoking is a positive thing for the youth. I went to high school in both CA and PA and I can say with absolute certainty more than a third of my peers smoked in PA whereas only a random few did in CA. The surprising thing was that most of the teenagers I knew that smoked all began in elementary years. If it's impressed on kids even on a subconscious level that smoking has a stigma on it from a cultural and social level there may be some good effects. Now you say "You say you have a right to breath clean air. I say that guy over there has a right to smoke." Now by us all breathing clean air no one is hurt by it (yes the smoker is annoyed because they want a cig) but when the smoker decides to light up the non smoker has to suffer. I love eating and drinking outdoors on patios when the weather is nice here, and I understand that if I do, there might be a smoker. That's fine, it's someone's right to smoke. I tolerate it if I can. If the smoke makes me nauseous I move inside. I'm not going to rail the person for wanting to light up outside. The only reason I'm afforded that is by the ban where smoking is not allowed indoors. Anyways. I love that you've posted your opinion on the matter. Good discussions like this make blogging worthwhile... right :) I love California’s smoking ban. Best thing that has ever happened in the state. I can go to any bar, club, restaurant and hang out with my friends, party it up, head home and not smell like the bottom of someone’s ashtray.

When I come back to PA I pack an extra bag…. so I can throw all of my clothes that I wore out to a bar into it an zip it shut. There’s no wearing a pair of jeans twice in that state. I wonder how much laundry will be cut down by the ban… saving the environment by water conservation!

I also wonder what the statistics will say by the number of people who will cut back or quit smoking as a result of the ban, probably not much, but it can’t hurt. I can say the state could use it. The instance of underage smoking in PA is INSANE. Attaching another stigma to smoking is a positive thing for the youth. I went to high school in both CA and PA and I can say with absolute certainty more than a third of my peers smoked in PA whereas only a random few did in CA. The surprising thing was that most of the teenagers I knew that smoked all began in elementary years. If it’s impressed on kids even on a subconscious level that smoking has a stigma on it from a cultural and social level there may be some good effects.

Now you say “You say you have a right to breath clean air. I say that guy over there has a right to smoke.” Now by us all breathing clean air no one is hurt by it (yes the smoker is annoyed because they want a cig) but when the smoker decides to light up the non smoker has to suffer.

I love eating and drinking outdoors on patios when the weather is nice here, and I understand that if I do, there might be a smoker. That’s fine, it’s someone’s right to smoke. I tolerate it if I can. If the smoke makes me nauseous I move inside. I’m not going to rail the person for wanting to light up outside. The only reason I’m afforded that is by the ban where smoking is not allowed indoors.

Anyways. I love that you’ve posted your opinion on the matter. Good discussions like this make blogging worthwhile… right :)

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